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update on maria and her family
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Update to yesterday's post regarding the Roma child, Maria, being taken from her parents for being too white for dark people, I guess:

DNA from Roma girl 'Maria' matches that of Bulgarian couple - it's been confirmed that Sashka Ruseva and Atanas Rusev, a Roma couple living in Bulgaria, are Maria's birth parents.

I just want to throw this out, because it's weird when I was clicking around desperately for news that someone sent Maria back to her family--I live for impossible optimism:



This is a picture of World tab on CNN in the US edition and also appears in the international edition. Note the title used for the link.


This is the actual article it linked to. Note the title of the article and perhaps, what it's about. I'll give you a minute, it's my first link here.

It's almost not a lie. At the very end of the article, they mention an entirely separate case against a Greek couple who are on trial for buying a Roma baby, unrelated in any way to this one except Roma and Greek and baby and trafficking...wait, Maria's case has no trafficking or proof of child selling. Weird.

I could be overthinking this. CNN wouldn't deliberately completely mislabel because reasons, would they?

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Racism is the bottom line, actually.

Buying and selling children is racism? It is if we ignore it, because they're only children of color.

Yeah, no, you're defending racism against the Roma by using "but children" bullshit. Maria was taken from her parents and they were questioned about being her parents because she was blonde and fair and they weren't. Or did I miss a complete census of the camp demanding all the brown haired, brown-eyed, darker skinned children and parents were grilled? Link please.

Considering this happened again in Ireland within days after Maria's story broke to two other Roma families, because blonde, it takes an effort to deny the obvious.

"Records proved that the woman found to be looking after Maria claimed to have given birth to six of her 14 children in less than a year"\

Trafficking in human beings is a crime against humanity.

Or she did what millions in the US in the eighties on their income taxes; she lied about how many kids she had.

When I read that, I thought the mostly likely possibility was garden variety fraud, since the bureaucratic system there is terrible. You went to trafficking. Why?

She was BUYING children. She has 14. Buying human beings = Trafficking.

Link me to where anyone but the authorities have said she was selling children, plural, the proof of that, or any time that she was buying children other than in the case of Maria.

This is famous for being famous at this point; teh only reason trafficking was assumed was because Maria was a white blonde and so abduction --> trafficking because Roma. Because some people who have very good reason to desperately need the mother to be the bad guy because God knows they fucked up the original narrative of abducted white kid too badly to recover saying 'trafficking' doesn't make it true.

This is besides the point: I did not say that her adoptive parents should not be investigated for their weird familial situation (in fact I wrote, then deleted as irrelevant a paragraph about saying that being part of a minority does not exempt you from the law), what I said that taking away Maria from her adoptive family is racial profiling for what is effectively a confirmed unofficial adoption.

Let's first find out what is the situation with all the other children: Maria happens to be the only child whose presence is justified by her actual mother who came forward to explain that yes, she had indeed left her daughter in Greece with this family.

If and only if, trafficking or tax/social security fraud regarding any of the other children is proved (innocent until proven guilty, I thought?), then yes, no one said they not should answer for it.

But unless the actual Bulgarian parents of Maria start criminal pursuit (which seems to be the opposite of what they are doing?), then the 'kidnapping' of Maria is the one crime this family is clearly innocent of.

Let me just add that your illogical and heated inference -that their innocence on one count means they are innocent of all other possible charges under the sun- from my replies is a perfect example of prejudice. You are completely proving the point that is the reason for the original post.

Anyway, Seperis has already answered you much better than I could, so let's agree to disagree on the matter.

But quick note for the legally or the internationally minded: innocent until proven guilty is an American concept, but you may have heard that in some other countries, this is not true.

I happen to be from one such country and let me tell you that I cannot say things like 'innocent until proven guilty' without a sarcastic laugh since I notice that in the US, where I have lived the majority of my life, there is this strange double-standard where this principle applies only if you are rich (And preferably white. And being photogenic also helps, I've noticed. And a US citizen. Just in case).

But somehow, if you are not rich, nor white, nor a man you are NOT presumed innocent. As Terry Pratchett once noted in one of his Discworld footnotes (feetnote?) 'some people you just can't help'.

Sorry, but I had to get that off my chest: I am just so tired of the double-standards.


I don't think you are following what I'm saying.

"your illogical and heated inference -that their innocence on one count means they are innocent of all other possible charges under the sun-"

I have no idea what you're referring to. Let's both agree never to discuss anything.

so fucking what? face it, you and people like you can't *stand* the idea that just maybe we Rom are happier outside your much-vaunted system and prefer to stay that way. The fact of the matter is, Maria was being raised by another Roma couple, in a loving home, speaking her own language, and now she is in Bulgaria, and will end up being adopted by some gaje couple whose only "virtue" is that, not being Roma, they will teach her to hate her own people, raise her to their own stupid values, and she will be made to speak their language instead of her own. it's the same thing people like you *always* do, to anyone who doesn't share your values. in Oz it was done to Aborigines, in the US to Native American kids, in Canada to First Nations kids, and to Roma all over the world.

fuck your system, and fuck your values, and above all else fuck the damned foster system, cos that's what it does to the kids it absorbs.

I was blond as a cub, and also Rom, and endless passing white people took it on themselves to commend my mother for adopting Paki babies. Maria will be forced into a school full of asshole kids who beat her up and call her a thieving Gyppo. yeah, great result there, way to go white people.

the people who adopt her are mpore likely to traffic her -- after all, she isn't white so who cares.

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