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In case this hasn't been brought to anyone's attention:


The Steubenville Rape Case Getting National Attention

Rape Case Unfolds on Web and Splits City

The Rape Video May Mean The Perpetrators Don't Get a Fair Trial, Since It Shows Them Raping, I Suppose, And That's Not Fair or Something

High school sports star caught on camera LAUGHING as football team players 'raped and urinated on girl, 16, during house party' which includes an interesting note that the video--the one that could totally blow that entire 'fair trial' because it shows it happening was brought to light by the hacker group KnightSec, which is loosely associated with Anonymous.

The Steubenville Files on LocalLeaks - that's not all they uncovered. That is a lot of covering up.

But why, you ask? This is America and what on earth could possibly be more important than bringing gang-raping to justice? I mean, other than everything; this is a woman, after all, so as a former governor of Texas, the ever classy Clayton Williams once stated, rape is like weather, "If it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it".

Right, also this:

Nate Hubbard, 27, was one of them, telling The New York Times last month: 'The rape was just an excuse, I think. What else are you going to tell your parents when you come home drunk like that and after a night like that?

'She had to make up something. Now people are trying to blow up our football program because of it.'

Fuck knows, high school football is totally that important.

ETA: LJ side of this post has a highly triggering comment that includes rape denial and victim blaming. User is now banned, but it's unscreened because hell if I'm covering up that kind of attitude. It's the second comment in that post.

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Wow. That is absolutely disgusting. And with evidence that damning, the only reason they even need a trial is to determine the sentence. Cuz they are 100% guilty. And can you imagine being that girl, knowing that everyone's watching you get raped? JFC, what a nightmare.

Honestly, no. I mean, I lock up my head just trying to imagine twelve minute video of it. It's utterly insane.

It sounds like she got drunker than shit and everyone else was drinking too, and everyone was going to party to party, getting drunker and drunker. Was she raped? Actually, I don't think so. Did they take nude photos of her, and put their fingers up her? Definitely. That is a violation, but photos and fingering aren't the same as full out rape. Not even. These are stupid, drunk kids who did embarrassing things that were photographed and twittered about. That blogger didn't do the girl any favors. A small time thing she could have walked away from. Blown up internationally, this will follow her for ever.

Yeah, no, this comment is now screened.

Second thought: no. Banning works for me.

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OMFG! This comment here. This fucking blogger bitch, ruining this girl's life. Not drunk assholes who actually humiliated and used and most likely raped her (because I doubt they took her to bed to sleep after putting fucking fingers in her in front of everybody), but blogger. And don't forget, she also ruined the football season. Damn, those poor football players, suffering so much.
It's insane. It's absolutely insane.

I don't know American law on this, but the penetration with fingers would also count as rape in Sweden (it's any penetration).

And yeah, insane. Infuriating, to say the least.

There was a really similar case in Sweden, in a town called Bjästa. Less social media documentation of the actual rape, but there was massive online support and bullying in favor of the defendant, and the whole town ostracized the victim. It was awful. He was convicted eventually, but he managed to rape another girl and the town still didn't stop supporting him.

I had never heard of this case before, thank you for bringing it up. The best account I can find in English doesn't give any sociological background. Can you?

Specifically, in the US you will find (as at Steubenville) that rally-round-the-rapist often involves a local team sports star. Was anything like that involved in Bjästa? Did the rapist have an elevated social position for some other reason -- influential/rich parents, for instance? Is the region known for social conservatism?

Thanks for anything you can tell me.

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It takes a lot of deep inhaling and exhaling for me to read this and not immediately want someone to put these guys down. Hard.

I've been following this for weeks, and it's been so triggering/upsetting that I've had nightmares about it. What has outraged me second only to the rape itself has been the Gordian Knot of relationships involved in the coverup--those in authority in law enforcement, the school itself, the civil side of the government. I've always had a basic distrust of "the law," having been the child of a deputy sheriff and having seen first-hand and understood (in retrospect) the unmitigated power that "the law" has in a small town.

I understand peer pressure. I understand teenage rebellion and one-upmanship. I even understand the (LOATHED) idea of high school sports tying a town together socially. What I don't understand is that anyone could dismiss a child's life as cavalierly as those creatures dismissed hers--and all because she broke up with one of them! And now we have the scramble to use the existing law of the land--the law they broke violently and without a second thought--to wrap around themselves like a blanket.

I've had personal experience with this sort of thing, and I've been just *shaking* for weeks. The sheriff, the coach, the DA, the teachers--all of them--should be ridden out on a rail and the sports programs disbanded. And I haven't even started on the Orwellian notion that, just because it's on tape and witnessed, trying it in court can't be "fair." WTF. Just. Seriously. WHAT THE FUCK.

I just can't deal with the victim blaming and the rape culture in America. How does anyone think this is okay? Even if the girl had gotten pass out drunk on her own, what those guys did to her is absolutely disgusting and they should be prosecuted. I can't believe there are people who treat it as if, "well, she was passed out so of course she got violated" - as if that's perfectly normal. Okay, sure if your friend passes out at a party and you want to give them a funny cup hat or draw on their face with eyeliner I mean, that's rude, but kind of ha ha funny - it's not the same as sexually violating someone, recording it, and acting like they were asking for it because they couldn't say no. I can't believe people are treating it the same way.

I hate people and all the world does is remind me why.

The problem is that there ARE 'you are a dumbass' provisos in some laws. Like, if you leave your door open in a neighborhood known to have home invasions/burglary the courts are going to take that into account and that there are no laws that make a line about when personal responsibility stops affecting anything that happens to you or even laws that say even if you were a dumbass, there are never going to be mitigating circumstances for crimes X, Y and Z. And it is a very murky place because personal responsibility aside, we're human beings and we can and do ignore our baser instincts, we don't eat all the food we see and attack all the things that threaten us and take all the things we want because WE ARE rational human beings.

In other words, I'm not hugely comfortable with the personal responsibility attachments to some judiciary rulings, but I'm also a huge fan of the darwin awards, so, you know, what can I say?

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Victim blaming/shaming isn't unavoidable. Just don't do it.

I had this whole argument in my head, but it seriously boils down to: just don't blame or shame the victim.

Also the 'how pitiable we find the victim' is pretty messed up.

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In the UK (where I am), there is a requirement of active consent. In other words, the person has to be sober enough (and intoxication is specifically mentioned as preventing consent) to say yes.

Also, any penetration is rape as mentioned is the case in Sweden.

Of course, proving rape cases is as hard as in most areas and we are currently having a massive countrywide convulsion in regard to sexual assaults in the 60s/70s by what at times seems to be half the UK TV stars/radio DJs who were famous at the time so it can be seen that there are still a lot of advances to be made.


tnx for the link round up. all so horrifying.

I'm not sure how I feel that fucking Anonymous has a better sensitivity threshold than people in my LJ. For your comments above, thank you so much. I keep not being able to believe what I'm reading. It's 2013, somehow, I thought at least here, we were making an attempt to fight rape culture.

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You were amazing, thank you. It was possibly the only way I kept sane while reading was by reading your responses.

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