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my resentment is lingering
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I have sufficiently recovered my shattered nerves from the horror of delicious to cheerfully take up my personal favorite thing; that is, speaking with An Experienced Voice.

Honest to God, there is no job on earth that truly sucks if at any time, you can draw it up as ironclad proof of your expertise on anything even vaguely related to that job, wrap it up in bitter, better-than-them text, and throw it at people like a brick. An awesome brick. As a fangirl who, like pretty much every fangirl on the net who wandered into the internet and realized the power of html, and who once did in fact go with a theme of black background/white text (In the X-Men section, series; I keep it to remind myself once I thought that was genius in design), and who has embraced white space with equal fevor, this is a bad design and they should feel bad. Ten links a page? I'm sorry that their developers have the apparent attention span of fleas.

Past the rage and some inappropriate language use for the last few hours, I'm just weirded out. Mostly because in general, I don't remember any site coming under new ownership with a pretty large userbase and do this much damage. This isn't the equivalent of either time we got new management at LJ--and Livejournal, you realize you are officially going to be many people's new perfect standard of changeover, right? No, seriously, you are. People are going to be saying how awesome and wonderful and sensitive you were!--or even quite like Facebook's random hits of redesign in hopes of beign able to one day exhaust people so much they'll stop fighting all that privacy invasion they're so fond of.

There's a very uncomfortable part of me that has the general feeling that the Genius Idea that someone--probably one of those founders of Youtube we hear so much about--had this Brilliant Vision that it was far easier to buy up an already thriving audience and simply force them by holding all their information hostage--which they are doing--to use their completely different site. Instead of that hideous, boring, so Web 2.0 way of gaining a following or population with a superior product. As superior products, I have heard, are also very Web 2.0. And that I am saying Web 2.0 had superior products make me want to stop and cry very hysterically. I am having sincere, rose-colored reflection of Livejournals multiple changes; I mean, I'm pretty much due for it.

Okay, now the part, before I was sidetracked, that's weirding me out: they literally stripped functionality out, not just messed it up or broke some things (though anyone who can't escape a fucking / or , needs to return to kindergarten; my three year old nephew and niece probably can't do that yet, but that's because they're three and not developers; imagine that), but they left--messed up, but there--the tag functionality while making it impossible to use in any practical way.

It's almost like they want the users so irritated, frustrated, and despairing of the entire tag system they'll just give that shit up and go to playlists just for the sake of getting their damn links--wait, they call them stacks now? Charming. How very hipster-chic of them.

I haven't had pretty much anytime to actually explore this, but here's a fast and dirty tutorial on the API use to actually see what you have. And weirdly enough, what you can still create.

To See All Your Bookmarks and MetaData

For user, your username, for password, your password, for X, the TOTAL NUMBER of bookmarks you have. If you keep getting the login box on the first link, try the second one. It's exportable XML. You can use this to recreate your link library.

To See All Your Tags (If Yours Are Not Like Mine and Hiding)

If you do not see all your tags, do not panic. Check the first link up there and take a deep breath. Exactly two of mine show up here, but they're fine in the XML.

To See/Create All Your Bundles (Experimental)

You can still make bundles. Yes, what the fuck. You can't see anything you made before, but you can see any that you make from now on.

Create New Bundles

See the Bundle You Created!

Tested this a couple of times in several conditions; it works. It still works. Dear God, this is weird.

Rename Tags

As one does.


Now that's one at a time. I started work--and kind of finished, in a very rough way--a javascript that will loop, but the API is remarkably unstable and it seems to really not take that well when I try it. So until I know if it works, or until someone else releases a better one, well, we're stuck.


If you use the tagging add-on, it will save whatever you just decided to bookmark immediately, as public. And there are no takebacks with cancel(at least, mine didn't, but that may be--shockingly, a bug, and yet I don't think so). You will have to go to delicious and manually delete.

Or do this.


*sighs* There has to be a way around this.

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Do you plan to export and migrate, or will you wait it out?

I think I love you for this entire post. My flailing last night was much more inarticulate. Have you seen rageprufrock's latest /report podcast? She and MKlutz (on DW?) discuss the Delicious fuck up.

I tried this link: https://api.del.icio.us/v1/posts/all?results=X last night with my total number of links and I don't think it caught them all...? it doesn't quite work the way I expected. I was anticipating newest to oldest, but yeah, not so much. (Haven't quite figured out what it is sorting, but I haven't exactly put much any thought into it either.)

Also, are you following deliciouslymad? They've got some links round ups / many other concerned users / potential solutions etc.

I noticed that too! They're--almost in teh right order, but not quite, though generally. I'm wondering about when we edit links or tags and it's pulling that date.

I'm wondering about when we edit links or tags and it's pulling that date.

I'm going to go with no. At the top are links I've added recently. And then at then 4th from the bottom is a link that I added maybe a week ago. Yeah, I got nothing.

dig deeper into your favorite topics

User clari_clyde referenced to your post from dig deeper into your favorite topics saying: [...] From : fast and dirty tutorial on the API use to actually see what you have [...]

As of a few hours ago, delicious seems to have rolled back most or all of the changes, at least from my vantage point. Tags with slashes work again, I get a front page tat's a list, no mention of stacks, etc.

...and back to the new style. Wonder if I was getting pointed at Yahoo's old servers for a few hours? It definitely wasn't just local caching, I was doing searches and clicking on tags.

Apparently, old!delicious was also still accessible to mobile users for a few hours after the official change-over. Maybe you were managing to access the mobile version of the site for a while?

Maybe! I was getting the new site on the same computer earlier that day, but presumably there was a glitch somewhere.

Thank you so much for these explanations and links. I suck with this sort of thing anyway and just gave up last night and watched terrible tv shows.

*clings to you and whimpers with joy*

Also, I will hate them forever for this. Just the sheer level of stupid is ASTOUNDING.

I have over 3,000 links. They don't even have a way for me to go to the last page or enter which page I want to see. No, my choices are 1 2 3 4 next, and if I want five, then I better click on 4 then hit next.

Also, all my tags are gone.

(I migrated to pinboard.in at the beginning of the summer, so this is more bemused annoyance than panic.)

Yeah, right? I mean, they took all the valuable bits and dumped them, and now are pretending like we might all stick around for shits and giggles? What the hell? And who does a relaunch where nothing works?!

That being said, in their post last night they did say something about "adding tag bundle functionality," which would be great. Basically I'm going to let my account sit for a week and then see what it looks like when I come back. Though I have imported to Diigo in the meantime and am going to play around there, and I've emailed the first in what I imagine is a long list of "So can you fix THIS?" emails to the Delicious help address.

I clicked on that linked and read somewhere, “Delicious is in ‘back to beta’ mode,” and no. Stop. This is not a beta; this is not even an alpha; this is a pre-alpha that should never have been pushed live.

And, “Adding in tag bundle functionality.” No no no AVOS, you are not adding in tag bundles, you are returning tag bundles after you took them away.

Blah, corporate speak.

Yeah, pushing something live where nothing works and most of the data isn't accessible is just....what. What what what!

That first set of links doesn't work for me. It won't let me in at all. What I'll probably do is just take the things I hadn't already downloaded to my excel spreadsheet and do it manually. It shouldn't be that hard. I did quite a few last time this happened.

Sounds like I have a couple hours moving stuff over to pintrest. Oh joy!

I'm sure most people already know but google created an import function specifically to import your bookmarks from delicious. It was pretty quick and grabbed all my stuff along with all their tags. They also have a bundling function that I am still trying to figure out.

I relied on delicious for my links on Firefox using the toolbar...now half are missing from the bundles - there really is no rhyme or reason as to what is missing.

This was a spectacular failure on their part - what a poor business decision this was. You never want to take away functionality - ever!

OH MY GOD! I'd just updated my IE to 9, so when this bizarre page kept opening, along with a header at the top saying they currently don't support my browser and I should use Firefox, I thought a) I guess I should go over to Firefox, and b) how cute that someone drew a little dinosaur to show me how out of date I am, and c) I hope they get their system back up and running soon, I'm tired of logging in each time and not getting my own tags. I had no idea this was a permanent situation! UGH x 3.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for all the links and help in this post. I am so internet non-literate I didn't even know delicious was changing now. (After all, it seems like it was months ago I had to agree to link it to my yahoo or whatever.)

I envy everyone who is being articulate instead of just gesturing at delicious and going, "BUT WHY WOULD YOU BREAK IT?"

I exported my bookmarks to find that new!delicious stripped out all the timestamps. Thanks, that was so useful, new!delicious. That's a really nice poisoned goodbye gift.

this is a bad design and they should feel bad

I think their front page is supposed to be an hommage to the Ted front page. Our shiny young social media web evangelist at work hijacked an entire session of web utilization training to talk about how wicked awesome cutting-edge cool the Ted interface is (because the SIZE OF THE PICTURE signals HOW HOT TEH CONTENT IS, which maybe they can someday five years ago repurpose that concept for text as something like tag clouds some day maybe?).

AAR, it's apparently extremely hip now in some (corporate) circles, kinda like your grandma saying "rad" to bond with the youngsters.

I just wanted to say thank you so much for this. now I at least have a copy of most of bookmarks and tags

For some reason it won't even let me log in when I try this.

...I hate them so much right now.

Oh dear god thank you.

I couldn't get to my stuff, and was kind of freaking out.

So, to quote a friend of mine: Aaaaand I'm out. No, seriously. You are a bookmarking site. You... save... links. If I can't rely on you not to fuck up my data/loose my links, I will not save them with you.

This should not be difficult to comprehend, delicious!drones.

Holy shit, thank you for this. Thank you so much. I'll try this later when it's not 5:30am. You are a wonderful person.

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