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children of dune - leto 1
Okay, wtf, people, I had to find out from fail_fandomanon about Brad Wright sulking in his sulking pants?

Okay, see, I get it, Brad, PTB, Stargate franchise, all franchises, everyone, ever. I am just a fan! I have no power! I have no influence. You will tell me what to like and when to like it. I WILL SIT DOWN, SHUT UP OKAY. WHY ARE YOU STILL YELLING AT....

Opinion: Atlantis fans need to stop punishing Universe

...hello, wait.

“I don’t think if we for any reason go away, it is an issue necessarily of the quality of the product that we’ve been making,” said executive producer and co-creator Brad Wright.

...sure, we'll go with that.

“I think getting moved on the schedule has hurt us.

Okay, that's fair.

And the fact that some of the fans that liked SG-1 and Atlantis were so angry that they have deliberately hurt us, which is unfortunate.”

..wait, sorry?

Technically speaking, the longer you stare into the Moebius strip that is popular entertainment, the more you think 'fans' are not 'people' who can 'type' and don't 'like' things (Cooks Source? Terrible grammatical influence.), but actually are mindless faceless numbers without actual opinions that live within Nielson boxes.

It's not that I necessarily disagree with the premise that small, vocal groups of fans do not and maybe should not have power over the life and death of any show (...we don't need to talk about shows with that kind of influential fanbase, do we?). Having said that, it's a pretty fucking specialized population that watches the Sy-Fy channel and not die inside just looking at how we have to spell it (did I spell that right? I can't stand to go look. Just, no.) and it gets exponentially smaller when it's like, people who watch the actual sci-fi on it, and when it comes to the Stargates, and when it doesn't have Daniel Jackson.

(Truth: the more I look at statistics, the more I suspect Nielsen's statistics are based on constellations or possibly, cheese.)

And having said that:

a. SG1 and SGA fans did not have anything to do with the failure or success of SGU. Hello, we came, we saw, we left as you told us to, but when I started watching SGA, I was not contractually obligated to give a shit much less an hour a week to anything else in the franchise. You make a good show and hope for the best. And also, you're not even canceled, Christ.

b. ..you mean that 'fans' are 'people' that 'watch shows' and that's you? Whoa.

c. ...you really want to tell a group of people who can and do pull off massive mail-in and charity efforts in twenty four hours or less and spend enough time on the internet to qualify as AI in some jurisdictions and can flame your ass in Imperial fucking Klingon and sixteenish hours and going of obscure pop culture references....

That we have power? How are you on land wars in Asia, btw? Just curious.

Seriously, Brad, honey. We've both changed as people. It's time to let go. The BBC is really impatient sometimes, and they have tea!

Oh, whatever, hands up: tell me your inner fangirl did not just laugh herself silly.

Context is Contexty: For those of you playing the home game, circa January 2009:
No. You guys are actually pretty predictable (take no offense, most fan groups are). Unfortunately, you represent a very small portion of the actual viewing audience we need for financial success. - Brad Wright, on fans of SGA and SG1 at the cancellation of SGA and the release of SGU

Yeah. You're fucking adorable, sweets.

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As I have said elsewhere, like we'd do it that way, if we really wanted revenge, there'd be sudden website disappearances, hacked accounts, new twitter feeds and 4chan on our side (only because I think they'd be happy to court some destruction on the flimsy excuse that some of them are fans and fans just got called on the carpet). Finally I think brad or mallozi would find thesmelves work visa-less or even deported to a country not of their origin.

I am now so tempted to hire out 4chan to show these assholes just how badly the internet can fuck your shit up. I wonder if they take payment in cookies.

I love the fact that the demographic they didn't need or want is apparently powerful enough to stop people watching whatever TV show they want to.

Did you know we held that kind of power?

I sure as hell didn't.

Oh, internet. You're really bringing the joy this week.

LOLOLOLOLOL oh god. I mean, I didn't even watch any of the Stargate shows, but this is hilarious on so many levels. And the headline is THE BEST. "We have power! OVER THE UNIVERSE."

...you really want to tell a group of people who can and do pull off massive mail-in and charity efforts in twenty four hours or less and spend enough time on the internet to qualify as AI in some jurisdictions and can flame your ass in Imperial fucking Klingon and sixteenish hours and going of obscure pop culture references....

These are my people and they are awesome.

The Vulcan Language Society brings all the fans to the yard.

I watch SGU, I really really want to like it - but it takes itself too damned seriously, much like this guy apparently.

And one more freaking ending montage with middle of the road adult orientated mellow music is going to send me over the edge.

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Here's the thing: Universe, it was not a good television show. NOT EVEN A LITTLE, Brad. I have watched some truly crappy television in my day, but I couldn't take more than three episodes of this one.

ETA: Or is not, I guess, if it's still on the air.

Edited at 2010-11-05 03:54 pm (UTC)

*snorts* Not for long, I'm thinking.

Wow, he's such an ass - and an undignified one at that.

And for the record, I think SGU is shit - on its own merits. I gave it a chance despite being told I was 'too old' after over a decade of loyalty to the franchise. I just didn't like it, and I don't feel I owe it anything - after all, the franchise doesn't think it owes the fans respect...

Maybe they will replace SGU with Torchwood, wouldn't mind that at all.

Oh, God, don't even joke about that; they killed 60% of their regulars in 5 episodes and ticked off 90% of those fans who don't think Jack and Gwen are MTB. The last thing Torchwood needs is Syfy running the show; it'll be a 22 episode run, but the Earth will be destroyed at the end of the second ep, and the rest of the series will be Jack and Gwen trying to avenge their lost world or change it so it didn't happen.


Oh dear sweet Stargate lunacy. I don't miss you at all. What I miss, and what has made me swear never to watch one of their shows again, is the sense that the creative team respects the integrity of their show's premise and characters. After watching 10 seasons of SG-1 (admittedly, in speeded up fashion because of SG-1 Mondays on then-SciFi) and four seasons of SGA, I couldn't bear to have my heart broken again when they decide to ditch everything I love and go for cheap "thrills" that contradict all previously-established patterns of behavior.

There was no way I was giving Universe a try, because I'd been burned too badly before. My adoration of the first three seasons of SGA is second to none, but it crashed and burned hard because of their incompetence. That's the real reason, Brad. Not sulking. Not sour grapes. Just a proven track record of failure on your part.

Honestly, the best part of the later seasons of SGA is Michael and they never went as far as they could. If Atlantis wasn't the good guys and therefore should win ::grrrr::

Look Brad, I'm not sure what you want from me here. You told me you didn't want or need my viewership of your shiny new show. You kind of implied I was an ass for being pissed off that SGA was canceled in the first place. And now I'm the jerk for not doing that that thing you didn't want me to do in the first place?

Look, I didn't jump on the SGA bandwagon until other people told me it was fun and awesome. That's how I roll on most shows. Honestly, I figured I'd wait till people were talking about how awesome SGU was and then bandwagon. But guess what Brad?


So, sorry your shit show isn't getting the viewers you didn't want in the first place.

No love,


p.s. Neiner neiner.

As I was telling someone else, my kid and I have a crush on Rodney McKay. My kid and I can't watch SGU. I never watched an episode. But, I do sit all alone in my man cave and hold my SGU voodoo doll, stick little pins in it, and cackle madly.

Or I just have much better things to watch.

Oh Brad, what a moron.

I absolutely ADORED SG-1, and I watched SGA until around its third season--hell, I even watched maybe four or five episodes of SGU. I gave it a shot. The point being, I didn't give a flip about SGA being canceled; it has no bearing on the fact that SGU SUCKS MONKEY-BALLS.

Still, I love that they're blaming fandom. Bwhaha.

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muhuhuh! muhuhuh! *laughing myself off the chair* :D :D :D

I get the feeling that Brad and Co. see themselves hunkered down behind barricades, holding off hordes of barbaric fans in their heroic attempt to save the fair maiden that is SGU and thereby save civilization as some of us know it.

The really odd thing, is just last week he was begging people to watch the show live (in another article) because they'd listened to fans and made changes to the show this season.

Strange little man.