Seperis (seperis) wrote,

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surveyfail: this is never going to end, is it?


Via zvi_likes_tv:

I have a problem with the fact that people are creating [sexually explicit fic and art of the Surveyfail "researchers"] with the intention of maliciously shoving them in the subjects' faces, specifically for the purpose of humiliating them." -- by sohotrightnow

This is in regard to the protest art by alchemia here. Warning: NSFW, and potentially triggering. It also refers to RPS written about the researchers.

Warning: This entry may be triggery from mention of rape.

I really want to fall into the passive voice on this because my feelings, as such, are mixed enough that I keep coming back to the concept of protest art as a viable defense. Which I cannot argue; it is protest art. I won't dispute it. I dispute the idea that it is not representative of sexual humiliation, sexual degradation, and weaponizing the idea that sex is dirty, which being a porn writer and a sexual being, I'm kind of against.

Sex and sexuality and the free expression of are fraught in the personal, the political, and the moral spheres already. Sexual humiliation really just is not okay, and I will defer to someone else--anyone else--on getting a more academic view on reversing objectification on men by women, because I am seriously unqualified to make an assessment on that in the general sense, not being a theorist, but I'll take the personal. It's a rape fantasy about someone used as a method of protest; I don't see on any level how this is not comparable to people who verbalize how rape would be beneficial to a powerful or prominent woman. I do not think at any time, it should be acceptable to equate rape, sexual assault, unwilling sexual degradation, take your pick, with them getting their comeuppance when it is still an active method of one person showing their power over another. This shit is used against women all the time, in implication, in in-jokes, in flat out statements; using it against men doesn't change the inherent idea in rape that having the power to do something means you have the right to do it.

Note: I can't argue this academically; I simply don't have the education to state I understand the patriarchal gender issues that I've seen argued as part of this. I also don't think I should have to be to both hate what it represents and for that opinion to have value. And I think--scratch that, I know that I'm uncomfortable with how this is being defended under that umbrella.

ETA: To clarify--the kink is not the problem, since this doesn't even read as kinky for me, as I associate kinky with things that make people feel good. The problem, for me, comes up in the disconnect--kink is fun and good and leads to orgasms. It's the fact that kink is being used against him for the purpose of humiliating him, in the knowledge that it will humiliate him. Repurposing something I find personally rewarding and incredibly fun as a form of punishment pretty much goes against everything sexuality and kink are to me.

ETA: To anyone who read this and was hurt by my lack of sensitivity in discussing kink, please accept my apology. At no time did I mean to imply in any way a judgment on kinks in general or anyone's kinks in specific. I'm very, very sorry to those who were hurt or felt marginalized or judged by my clumsiness in wording this. There's a clarification in the last paragraph behind the cut which I hope will make that clear.

ETA: Feel free to continue discussion, but I will not be participating in it any further.

ETA of the ETA: Lack of participation, however, does not equal a lack of attention. In other words, I want to use the dirtiest in the English language--play nice. I understand this is because I am a girl and conditioned to niceness or something. Whatever.
Tags: meta: fandom, surveyfail
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