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Huh.

Is anyone getting email with incorrect timestamps? Not hugely, but a two hour difference, and yes, accounting for GMT standard. It's getting weird.

Random Neat Fact

My mom participated in a later variation of the Milgram obedience experiments at UT. Not the original, but one the psych department did circa early 1970s. She described the little shock console thingie and is pretty sure she was not a special snowflake that defied authority. Would those results be publicly accessible?


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Yes. I've been getting incorrect timestamps all day; not for every comment, but enough to warrant a "Huh?" I got two comments from the same person, that I think they posted almost back to back. According to my e-mail, they were about 7 hours apart.

It's surreal to get four lj comments timed an hour or so before the entry was posted. Timespace has been violated!

I thought that Ianto told Jack that he wasn't allowed to mess with the Internet again.

Jack and his curiosity. Always getting us into scrapes.

They shouldn't be; the data should have been anonymized and probably no records kept to link results to particular participants. Given that universities are a lot more bureaucratized today, I can't be as sure that there are no remaining records as I would be if the experiment had been done last year, but I think it's unlikely.

But it's still a cool story.

That's what I was thinking. But the actual report would be accessible, correct? Though come to think, I'm not sure this was done on the graduate student level, so hmm. They'd have the final results available, though, wouldn't they? Adding: even if it's just the explanation of the experiment and the numbers.

Edited at 2008-12-20 11:06 pm (UTC)

Current law requires student files, experiments using school equipment, and what not to be kept for 5 years. The rules for possible medical/psych experiments require that information be kept significantly longer in case of future medical difficulties. The problem is that those rules weren't necessarily created/enforced during the 70s. It is likely that the professor associated with the project kept the results (at least until retirement) but there is no method of compelling them.

Re: experiment results

Ahhh, that makes sense. Thanks!

Hard to say--if it was published, maybe. But record retention was different then, so it's just as possible that it got thrown out two buildings back, or maybe it's archived but never been cataloged. If she can remember any names of the people responsible, she might be able to track them down and see if they have it.

Are you looking just for sats on this study or studies done that are similar to Milgrams?

In this particular case, just to see what they did in hers. She doesn't remember very well, but what she did remember had some differences from the original study that made me curious.

Do you know Milgram's book, Obedience to Authority? It does summarize the results of the various versions of the experiment (they ran quite a few variant versions); it has a few anonymized case studies as well, though chances are against your mother being one of those. But it's got some stats and details that might be interesting.

I have no idea if it's still in print, but it's probably not too hard to track down anyway.

Is anyone getting email with incorrect timestamps?

Yeah, I got a few of those yesterday - comment notifications where the reply to a comment claimed to have been posted before the comment it was replying to, and other fun stuff like that. *g*

Milgram obedience experiments

are you looking for these results?
replicating Milgram's experiments (do not release until 19th of Dec. 2008):

über seine Studie, die nun im "American Psychologist" erscheint

they are writing and talking and discussing about it in some major german newspapers and mags since Friday, coz, well.
Germans.

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