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svreview: lineage, s2e8
children of dune - leto 1
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I will update this more than once a week, I will update this more than once a week...

Mantra.

*looks sad* I'm out of chocolate. Darn Halloween for not coming twice in two weeks.

Today's Recs, including stories I either missed or can't remember reccing. *sighs* My memory sucks.

Lineage Ramblings, in no actual chronological order.



Red-haired Stalker Woman enters Kent household to--creep around creepily. I'm going to point out, I live very rural. I lock my doors. Every day. I'm just saying--and as Jack pointed out, the Kents are just amazingly trusting of the world in the most bizarre way possible. *shakes head* Is the storm cellar even locked?


Okay, lapse there, but I mean, REALLY.


Anyway, Creepy RedHair Stalker stalks Clark to school, somehow managing to get onto campus without Principle Meanie catching her (I wouldn't worry about a closed campus, Clark, apparently you won't get caught if you're late). Ambushes him by his locker, freaks him out. He goes home and panics, per usual. Mom and Dad say everything will be fine while exchanging Significant Looks on a Secret Past.


Way to keep a secret there.


So we've set it up for some bizarrity and some interesting character dynamics. I've never pretended that these sorts of eps AREN'T my favorite kind. Screw Krypto-mutants--give me dark pasts and angst.


So. Our People.


For the Chloe/Clark first fight, I refer you to Tara LJC, who did the best observations of the scene.


I'm with her on all points, but Chloe did piss me off with the posting messages to messageboards. The Smallville Theme seems to run to 'good intentions are great, but will always fuck you over', so hey, this ep's consistent in that one.


What's making me think, especially in light of Tara's thoughts, is that the show is setting up extremely deliberate roadblocks for any possible long-term ChLark. See, the thing where Chloe said she'd turn in her press creds for their friendship and Clark says she wouldn't? Which was kind of a throw away line, but a point of debate among slash fans. Pete knows and will take it to the grave if necessary. Chloe? I'm thinking they are establishing Chloe's inherent untrustworthiness with this kind of truth, aka Clark's origins. Which, if this is foreshadowing, is a little less anvily than I'd expect.


It's an interesting thought. Again, Tara LJC covers all the Chloe points beautifully, so go there.


Lex. Poor, poor, brothers appearing from the ether and disappearing Lex. Who got the shock of a lifetime to hear the possibility of Clark being his brother. That made me grin. Slashy interpretation? I wasn't seeing a lot of enthusiasm for the idea. Granted, on one hand, competition, and Lex is not a huge fan of having to compete even more than he does now for Daddy's Love. Plus? Can't have been amusing to find out while Mommy Dearest was sick, Daddy was nailing her nurse. No sympathy points here, ma'am.


Anyway, Lex doesn't get much screentime, but per usual, he uses everything he can. The Clark and Lex interaction was marvelous--Clark's discomfort and absolute certainty of no blood here, Lex's usual, indirect method leading to the point, and really, some of the best Lex/Clark friendship moments I've seen on the show. Just lovely level of comfort and interest and sweetness going on here. *sighs* Then, of course, Lex kidnapped, duct-taped *hee* to a chair, and the look on his face when Daddy Dearest says, will NOT negotiate with terrorists. No surprise. And that desperate kick at axe-woman? Geez louise. An AXE? Come ON, woman.


Typically, Lex is knocked out. RivkaT's The Presence of Fire is seriously starting to look canonesque.



This leads me, of course, to that Moment of Hair Fondling. In which Lex asks about Lucas Luthor, Daddy Dearest says no no no dead, Lex looks sad-ish and leaves, then Daddy inappropriately fondles a bit of blonde hair in a locket, along with a pic of a twelve year old boy he carries around with him.


Oh hmm. Fascinating as hell.


So, to set up some Lionel/Lexian history, we have Jitters, in which Daddy locks Lex in the building--you know, to save the town and stop the idiot terrorist. Hmm. Then we have Obviously Fucking Insane Ex-Girlfriend for Lineage, who he basically says, on national TV, yes, kill my son, I don't negotiate! And you know, he's sort of aware of this woman's obsessive stalky behavior here. Huh.


I see patterns going on here. You know, while Lionel may not be actively gunning for Lex, you can't convince me that he's not at least passively allowing Lex to get into danger. I'm mulling this, especially in comparison to Jonathan, who still annoys me on a lot of levels, but will go to the mat for his family. Lionel? There's a back-up heir. With good hair. Yes, no pun intended, but there we go, it's there.


Lana was less annoying than usual. Yay. And yes, stalking your possible daddy probably wasn't the brightest moment you've had, babe. And I have to ask, how, how, HOW can the man be aware Luthors are involved in the entire Talon business but never catch the name of the associates? Smallville is like Deaf For the Sake of Plot Central. They've all lived in Smallville all their lives, yet somehow MISS all this?


Just loses me.


Pretty Chloe and Lana interaction, though I'm really tired of hearing about How Secrets Are Bad or Wrong, because you know? They're not. It's called Privacy. Look it up.


The flashbacks were fun. Confirmation of Lionel being the enabler of Clark's adoption. Something we've all known. That Jonathan Kent had to manipulate the Rosses to get it? Hmm. I wish there were more details on this one.


Not being Jonathan's Cheerleader, I still found him great. Very take-charge, very much willing to do what it takes, wonderful with Wee!Lex, and let's face it, the man has nerves of STEEL. He drove Lionel around in a truck with a spaceship in the back covered by a TARP. I would have been a mess. What annoys me, per usual, is his double standard. He's willing to blame Lex for anything and everything Lionel's ever done, but keeps telling Clark that no, people aren't blamed for their parents' actions. It's family bias, I get that, but it's still annoying as hell.


*sighs*


As someone already commented, Martha's bosom is getting serious screentime. I mean, really. And this is not something I pay attention to, but the camera seems to like to linger on waist-up shots, and she wears a lot of very clingy clothes. Wow.


A couple of things that annoyed me.


One, DNA. Now, granted, I don't know that much about adoption proceedings, since I only have a couple of family members who were adopted themselves, and they are considerably older than me. BUT--on what grounds could a DNA test be forced? I could be wrong here, but does a natural parent once they've given up custody have the right to do that? If they'd set it up that Lionel had taken his child from her without her giving up custody, or maybe had her committed and the state removed custody due to that for some reason, that would be a hell of a lot more logical for grounds for a test, not to mention some very cool angst and actual possibility of the Kents losing their son. Just me on that one. So no, I don't see how she got this one, and frankly, I don't see why they chose this voluntary thing at all when the other way would have had a little more logic. But that's just me--again, very little understanding of standard adoption outside the basics.


Plus, I'm not entirely sure it's legal to stalk the child you gave up for adoption. Tara LJC was researching this stuff, so hopefully, she can clarify what I don't know.


Two, can this woman COUNT? Clark is THREE YEARS OLDER than her son! Okay, three to four, depending on how they set Clark's age at the adoption.


Hmm. Well, that covers my episode thoughts. Much enjoyed for the flashbacks and the Lexness, and most definitely the Chloe/Clark interaction. Tara is going to make me like this pairing whether I want to or not. Damn her!


So. There you have it. My friends list is practically overflowing with interesting Lineage thoughts, so run over and check it out.


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What annoys me, per usual, is his double standard. He's willing to blame Lex for anything and everything Lionel's ever done, but keeps telling Clark that no, people aren't blamed for their parents' actions. It's family bias, I get that, but it's still annoying as hell.

I don't think it's quite equivalent. Clark was three when Jonathan made his decision to cave to Lionel's blackmail; Lex is an adult who, until last season, was a loyal LuthorCorp employee, and it's not too unreasonable to believe that someone who was raised by a Luthor and works for a Luthor will... act like a Luthor, and a LuthorCorp employee. (And that whole "give the truck back" thing makes *so* much more sense now-- look what happened the *last* time a Kent accepted a favor for saving Lex Luthor's life!)

I think there's a reason we haven't seen the Kents socializing with Gabe Sullivan; I don't think Jonathan is too crazy about *anyone* associated with LuthorCorp, its practices, its policies, or Lionel himself.

Also, I have to point out, Jonathan's been pretty easy on Lex this season. LaT has a theory that they're bringing in characters like Principal Reynolds because Jonathan *can't*, anymore, be the character that the show needs (in a storytelling sense) in order to let new viewers know that People Hate Lex Because Of His Father. Because Jonathan doesn't really play that role on the show any more. And now with the introducton of Lana's new Luthor-hating Dad, it seems like that aspect of exposition-- Anti-Luthor Sentiment-- will be *his* job from now on.

I don't think it's quite equivalent. Clark was three when Jonathan made his decision to cave to Lionel's blackmail; Lex is an adult who, until last season, was a loyal LuthorCorp employee, and it's not too unreasonable to believe that someone who was raised by a Luthor and works for a Luthor will... act like a Luthor, and a LuthorCorp employee. (And that whole "give the truck back" thing makes *so* much more sense now-- look what happened the *last* time a Kent accepted a favor for saving Lex Luthor's life!)

*snickers* Trucks today, cream corn facilities tomorrow...

No, I do see a difference, but--and this is the thing that bugs me--it's so damn constant and even with evidence to the contrary, Jonathan can't see past the name. it's human and normal, and I'm the first to agree with that, but it does not add to his sympathy factor for me personally.

Again, not a Jonathan cheerleader. YMMV.

I think there's a reason we haven't seen the Kents socializing with Gabe Sullivan; I don't think Jonathan is too crazy about *anyone* associated with LuthorCorp, its practices, its policies, or Lionel himself.

Well--do the Kents socilize with anyone? Off the top of my head, short of random visits by the sheriff, Clark seems to have a more active social life. Which personally, makes sense to me. If they set the pattern of privacy when Clark was a kid and not in control of himself, then that would probably be a habit that extended to the present day. Did they once mention having dinner with the Rosses? I might have imagined that, but off the top of my head, I can't think of any socializing activities other than things like the farmer's market, et al.

Also, I have to point out, Jonathan's been pretty easy on Lex this season. LaT has a theory that they're bringing in characters like Principal Reynolds because Jonathan *can't*, anymore, be the character that the show needs (in a storytelling sense) in order to let new viewers know that People Hate Lex Because Of His Father.

*snickers* Good call.

Because Jonathan doesn't really play that role on the show any more. And now with the introducton of Lana's new Luthor-hating Dad, it seems like that aspect of exposition-- Anti-Luthor Sentiment-- will be *his* job from now on.

I suppose it would be too much to hope that one episode goes by where Lex isn't living up to Biblical prophecy of a father's sins. *sighs* Yes, that DOES drive me crazy now.

Oh well. I suppose there'd be less conflict without it.

Well--do the Kents socilize with anyone? Off the top of my head, short of random visits by the sheriff, Clark seems to have a more active social life.

*heh* Actually, that is true. There was that older guy from "Reaper" who seemed to be a friend of Martha's who got killed, and the guy in the last episode that they mentioned as being a friend, but who wouldn't cut them a break on the feed bill. But other than that, no, I don't think we've seen them socialize much with anyone.

I'm not sure that's entirely because of Clark, though. Nell called them "the reclusive Kents" in the pilot, and in the flashback Martha explained away Clark's sudden un-announced appearance with "Oh, you know we like to keep to ourselves, that's why you hadn't heard we were adopting a kid," and Ethan seemed to accept that...

I have a personal theory that maybe not everyone from Smallville approved of Jonathan Kent going off and marrying some flashy upper-class Metropolis college girl, and maybe there was a little cold shoulder going on for a while there...

See, the thing where Chloe said she'd turn in her press creds for their friendship and Clark says she wouldn't? Which was kind of a throw away line, but a point of debate among slash fans. Pete knows and will take it to the grave if necessary. Chloe? I'm thinking they are establishing Chloe's inherent untrustworthiness with this kind of truth, aka Clark's origins. Which, if this is foreshadowing, is a little less anvily than I'd expect.

Ah, but here's a different thought on it (one several buddies of mine have, and I tend to agree on many points). Maybe that bit about her not giving up her press credentials for him is actually a way of alluding to the fact that maybe, to a certain degree, she already is giving up some of her journalistic self for him. Because - and I really am starting to buy this more and more - everything is pointing to the fact that Chloe knows about Clark to a degree. She doesn't know he's an alien. Most likely she just thinks he's a meteor freak. But she knows Clark is "different."

Take Obscura, where he saves he from being buried alive. She does that "it's you, it's always you" bit (and really, didn't that seem more appropriate for a romance novel?), knowing that Clark would save her. In Vortex, even while shooting herself in the foot by playing the friends card, she acknowledged that of course Clark had to save Lana - he saves everyone.

In Crush she calls him on the saviour complex, when he gets overprotective concerning Justin. And later in the ep, she calls him for help, knowing that he's the one that can save her from Justin, who she *knows* is a meteor freak.

(Of course she also proved she can keep the secret in Crush also, because she kept Justin's secret. Until he went psycho.)

Chloe's not dumb, and she's quite observant. Clark keeps doing the zip off thing around her. The reason she hasn't said anything is because she wants him to tell her. To trust her enough to share the secret. And maybe the attempt at finding some things out about his adoption was really an attempt to garner his trust (even though I hated what she did - it wasn't any of her business). She was trying to stockpile information in case he ever wanted to find out about his parents, giving him easy resources at a moment's notice. Of course a lot of this conjecture about her actions in Lineage is based on taraljcs analysis of Chloe and Clark's interaction.

Okay, and so, based on the fact that Chloe knows something about Clark. Ever notice that Clark is more likely to try and avoid conflict more often with any of the other characters (with the exception of his father)? Lana being the most significant in that rule. Clark makes attempts to justify some of their actions, or there's a quick burst of temper that plays out very quickly.

But he and Chloe have gotten into two huge fights (both over his adoption - granted, a touchy subject) and one huge fight that was more on his side in Drone. And they've both given as good as they got. Clark has been more likely to really unleash himself with Chloe. It's like he knows, deep down, that Chloe is strong enough to handle him. I'd say he's learning that more and more about Lex too. But he's known Chloe longer. And that comfort of knowing that he can be tempermental at times, be normal, and she won't be afraid - whether he realizes it, she let's him be normal. By knowing, and yet not coming right out and saying it, she lets him be him. And Chloe's passionate. And if she does know, then she's still willing to get into these big fights with him, even knowing that this guy is physically much more than she can handle. And she doesn't care. Because she knows Clark.

If she knows, she sort of like the Pete of the comics, who knew for years and never told Clark he knew, just went behind him and covered his tracks.

And I got off track there. *g*


She doesn't know he's an alien. Most likely she just thinks he's a meteor freak. But she knows Clark is "different."

Take Obscura, where he saves he from being buried alive. She does that "it's you, it's always you" bit (and really, didn't that seem more appropriate for a romance novel?), knowing that Clark would save her. In Vortex, even while shooting herself in the foot by playing the friends card, she acknowledged that of course Clark had to save Lana - he saves everyone.


Agreed. If anyone has an idea about what Clark is without proof, it'd be Chloe. Except...

*thinks*

It comes down to producer/writer intent. And I'm a huge fan of ignoring that for fan interpretation, just like I do in stories. So yes, I think you're right. Except this weird--thing. They set up a situation where of CLark's two male friends, Pete wins the Secret Lottery, not Lex, because Lex is untrustworthy, etc. Which is with canon. I think the competition will be now between Lana and Chloe to find out the truth, with Lana winning because She Is the Canon First Love Interest, and therefore, there's a need to portray Chloe as NOT being trustworth enough. Which the journalism thing gives Chloe instantly. She did keep Justin's secret. I'm just not entirely sure that she'd be able to keep the idea of first contact with aliens under wraps. Right this second? She'd probably go to the mat for Clark. But if they're trying to keep Clark and Chloe from being together and overshadowing the endless Clark/Lana ForDearGodEver thing, then the journalism and her curiosity are the perfect way to deal with making sure that Clark and Chloe never threaten the primary pairing.

Hee. I agree with the rest of what you said in this post. Going on to next one.

And more, because I exceeded the word limit. *g*

BUT--on what grounds could a DNA test be forced?

I'd say the most likely scenario for this episode, and from some of what she said, she was probably claiming that she was essentially forced to give up her baby against her will. Lionel coerced her and used a mind that was probably a tiny bit unstable against her. But she should have had to prove that she was coerced before a court of law before gaining any rights to even finding out if he was her child. And honestly? She would have been going up against Lionel, and there was no way in hell that she would have won that fight.

So basically, the DNA bit was a bunch of crap. Besides the fact that, considering the whole invulnerable thing, there weren't going to be any cells to slough off in his mouth.

I'm just still confused on how they're continuing to give the boy haircuts. Considering he doesn't even bruise from bullets now (a la Red), wouldn't that indicate that a pair of scissors are going to end up in the garbage if taken to his hair?

BUT--on what grounds could a DNA test be forced?

I'd say the most likely scenario for this episode, and from some of what she said, she was probably claiming that she was essentially forced to give up her baby against her will. Lionel coerced her and used a mind that was probably a tiny bit unstable against her. But she should have had to prove that she was coerced before a court of law before gaining any rights to even finding out if he was her child.


Yeah, I'd think it would at very minimum take more than, say, a DAY to get a ruling, especially if the judge is friends with the Kents, for goodness sake.

And honestly? She would have been going up against Lionel, and there was no way in hell that she would have won that fight.

*grins* True.

So basically, the DNA bit was a bunch of crap. Besides the fact that, considering the whole invulnerable thing, there weren't going to be any cells to slough off in his mouth.

I found that very amusing. Though clever with the swabbing and not the blood test, I must admit.

I'm just still confused on how they're continuing to give the boy haircuts. Considering he doesn't even bruise from bullets now (a la Red), wouldn't that indicate that a pair of scissors are going to end up in the garbage if taken to his hair?

raincitygirl on ClarkLex theorized that as hair, like fingernails, are dead cells, they aren't invulnerable. Which I'm working with, darn it. *nod* Just makes my life easier.

theorized that as hair, like fingernails, are dead cells, they aren't invulnerable

Hmmm. Good point. I guess the influence of Lois & Clark from years back is showing, in that on L&C when Star Labs went to do testing, there was usage of kryptonite to weaken him enough to make hair cutting possible. Or something like that. I think? *sigh* No cable and too many years between viewings. But I liked that explanation (as did I like the usage of a mirror and heat vision for shaving *g*).

Of course, the running joke at Kryptonsite was Kryptonite Scissors. With Martha doing the trimming and all.

If Clark's hair isn't invulnerable he'd be as bald as Lex from all the times he's been blown up and/or set on fire though wouldn't he?

She's got a really good point. LOL Paper brought the logic!

Back to the drawing board on hair cutting theories.

Hmm. Good point. I think Sarah T's Affinity is the one where Lex uses Kryptonite to get a sample of Clark's hair and skin.

Right, Mave, back to the drawing board. Maybe after it gets a certain length/distance from his body it becomes less invulnerable? Though Kryptonite scissors seriously DO rock. *g*

According to Lois & Clark....

Maybe after it gets a certain length/distance from his body it becomes less invulnerable? Though Kryptonite scissors seriously DO rock. *g*

I was watching a rerun of Lois & Clark on TNT the other day and it was explained Superman's skin has an invulnerability that extends a few milimeters, which was only brought up because his costume is only impervious to harm as long as he was *wearing it*. Once it was off his body it was as fragile as anything else, which makes sense that once his DNA is separated from him, it too would be less vulnerable.

So. not smallville canon but a great explanation that can be incorporated into fanfic that also fits in with Smallville.

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