Color, moderated by Luminosity
This caused me to suddenly break out during movies "Oh, yellow filter! That means obsession!" and "See all that red? That's life and love and such." and being forbidden to speak at random intervals. The point she made was that color is a hardwire in us to expect certain things, which is something I'd heard before but never really considered until she showed examples and I started watching for it. I'm wondering what it says about me now that my preferred colors for wear are grey, black, white, and the muted earthshades. So I made an effort and wore the purple of transformation to dinner on Sunday night.
Again, knowing and seeing make a difference. Red, I knew, was always supposed to be a spot to call attention, which makes me wonder if running a movie with a dominant color red would change the expectation of what we would be looking for. For that matter, what the movie was trying to say. Personally, learning something probably everyone else already knew is pretty damn fascinating.
What Do We Want from Vids Now, moderated by Cesperanza and Counteragent
There was also a discussion on the evolution of vids from where they were and where they're going, along with vidders--a lot was hit, including outside source, multiple source, creating source, reworking the same pivotal scenes, etc. I think the point that fascinated me most was the transition that will inevitably come with vidders moving into the long form, or the fan movie. As a viewer, it's exciting to consider. I had a few minutes with harriet_spy to discuss our enthusiasm, which I dearly wish I'd followed up on (God, VVC is like the WHEE SHINY OVER THERE so damn *much*, I only got two of the things I meant to do here done), and she discusses it here.
I do like the idea of vidders embracing long form as well as short form, and seeing what comes out of it. I'm a huge proponent of fannish creativity; it reminds me of something a long ago program manager said about a job, how you could grow inside the job or grow out of the job, but that growth was necessary either way. Vidding exemplifies both the celebration of limits, the expansion of them, and the breaking of them. It reminds me a lot of why I love to build with leggos and other building sets so much, and when I'd only want to live to work inside the limits of leggos and when I'd drag out those other things I can't remmeber the name of and build a carousel. It's just *fun*.
I Suck, moderated by fan_eunice and sisabet
Well, this is about--wait for it--the "I Suck" litany that goes through everyone's heads. I won't say because they gave us gifts of chocolate that we love them best, but you know, I will say if all moderators want to bribe for good reviews, this really works as incentive. A lot of the steps and discussion that went on pretty much follow the pattern most writers have as well, with vid specific twists, as vidders do not take advantage fo WIP day and really, they should. Yes, I mean, sisabet and John is Jesus.
A lot of the advice crosses over nicely (know when you are feeling constructive and when you need chocolate and hugs, walk away if you think you are going to delete, go eat and pee, which is practical advice that I remmeber thete1 might have given me during the writing of A Handful of Dust though I think hers was "GO SLEEP NOW JESUS CHRIST YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE DUSK AND I SEE THE SUN HAS RISEN" and you know, I think everyone could benefit from this advice. Eat, sleep, pee. Right there). If they post the list, I'll link up, since I think it applies to the fanartists and writers as well.
In-Depth Vid Review, moderated by Sisabet and Luminosity
The vids discussed were the ones I mentioned above, which again, when people start meta'ing, I'll link up, because they both had some interesting points I'm still pondering.
Personal thoughts, which are probably of interest only to me:
Climbing Up the Walls by obsessive24
I will speak personally on this, my reaction is highly informed by the fact that Smallville didn't break me to incest, it just reminded me that in eighth grade, I read every VC Andrews book I could get my hands on and cheered Christopher and Catherine-oh-my-God-she-was-a-Mary-Sue along. And before that, I spent a great deal of free time writing up highly detailed genealogies of royalty and nobility starting with pre-Ptolematic Egypt. So fictional or historical incest, unlike contemporary/current, doesn't really have the same effect on me.
So the incest wasn't shocking. What got me was the handling, not to mention the utter beauty. There's a lot about it technically (and I say this with very low knowledge of the technical aspects) that appealed to me that usually doesn't in vids, and it's one of the few times that I fell into the theme almost immediately, since the music was about as perfect as you can get without being able to custom order it.
I came out of Climbing Up the Walls with the idea of not just the incest and older sibling in some ways as predator, but a thought about how the younger (and invaribley "special" sibling) as both a victim and willing collaborator in their victimness. For some reason, I get the feeling this wouldn't be the most popular reading, and frankly, I could be wrong, and I need more viewings to work out where I picked that up, but there's a high possibility that the very thing that makes them need protection also leads them to make absolutely sure they have someone that will be both protector, outside focus, and someone that, despite what they are/do/will be, will never ever leave them. In other words, the obsession not only goes both ways, but that it's constructed specifically by both parties to create a tight space of unconditional acceptance. I will do anything for you can also be read as I need you to do anything for me.
I will link when this vid goes up. I'd like to see other reactions.
ETA: More on this in comments.
Gloria by sweetestdrain
The other, Gloria, The Sarah Conner Chronicles, Sarah/Cameron, was fascinating to me as an exploration of the purely physical, or rather, Cameron as the gun that doubles as the sex toy. I'm really uncertain on my reading here, but the focus on Cameron's physicality--first her badassness, the weapon she is, and then with her dancing, her body, her beauty--came off as less an emotional reaction to her, or interest in her mind, her person, as it was--I'm not sure of the wording on this one. I want to say it wasn't about seeing her as her--it was about seeing her in terms of her usefulness. Fucking her and sending her to kill don't seem that far apart in terms of what to *do* with her, but are a far cry from what to be to her, or discovering who she is.
There are about ten other vids I fell for hard, but these are the ones I discussed actively so remember best. If I get a chance and when the vids go up, will put up links. Cause seriously, these were awesome. All of them.
Placeholder for vids as they go online.
Highway Café of the Damned by jmtorres and niqaeli, Stargate (movie and SG1) - oh fantastic. This made me *ridiculously* happy. And just--okay, Daniel just made me laugh and sigh and smile a *lot*. And the song is just so amazingly appropriate, you have no idea.