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I am ridiculously irritable right now, which is partially high level sleep deprivation, as I am an idiot, and partially stewing--I kid you not--over Dr. Who finale reviews. Part of this is I keep reading them, even when the subject line says it will not be my cup of tea, and part of it is vague unformed anticipation of a new SGA season, and a bit of it is I somehow, while randomly reading through Due South recs, managed to hit three deathfic, and a dead puppy fic one after another because I kept forgetting to check the warnings. I can't even work out the odds on managing that.

Dead puppy!

Then Madelyn pasted some traumatizing Jack/Ianto that helped clear my mind of omg dead puppy! and went to oh my God, someone *wrote* that? Why? which was zen inducing because I cannot deal with dead puppies (puppy!) but terrifying Torchwood porn is a-okay.

Short and vaguely grumpy, below cut, Dr. Who spoilers, Rose specific:



Rose. Here's the thing.

I think it says fairly awesome things about Rose's character development from the time she met the Doctor, when her two choices post-Doctor are a.) eat ice cream, watch television, cry for a bit over the man she loved and is effectively dead to her, as people do when they fall in love and then lose it, or b.) wake up and think, huh. You know, I can get a dimensional cannon and fetch the bloke myself. Let's see how to go about that. And maybe help save the universe on the side.

There is no universe where that it is not awesome.

I kind of have the same reaction to Ianto, though his situation has that side effect of horrific death and destruction, the significant other in question being, you know, evil cyberperson, but you really have to be impressed when anyone stands up, pushes back the ice cream, and says, the situation as stands sucks. Now how can I improve this? And does a really good job doing it. If she had not been evil, this would have worked out very well. Sadly, evil. But Ianto, awesome.

Supernatural--do I even need to *list* the frankly obscure and terrifying ways Dean and Sam have gone about trying to stay together and avoid being separated from/death of the other person? That's like, every episode.

I am not getting this. I get people just not liking her all that much and never have--that's character preference and I have some problems with Donna (though not huge ones). But I get frustrated when strength of character is used as a blunt force instrument on a female character. Some people want medical careers and some people want babies and some people want, I don't know, to live on a mountain and eat fish all day. None of these things necessarily have anything to do with strength of character; they're life decisions that strength of character helps people find a way to achieve to their satisfaction.



Okay, now that is done. I am still not sleepy. And now I am remembering dead puppy fic. Gah. Puppy. And hopefully, will see Nephew today. Pictures are promising.


OMG, the dead puppy story made me so very sad. But it was so wonderful, at the same time. Sigh. You should read How To Speak Canine In Seven Easy Steps, because that will make your brain a happy dog place for a good long while.

Handy broke my heart. Carrying in his pocket! THAT HURT!

Also, opening this one to ease my girlpain now. Thank you.

I love your take on Rose. Push back the ice cream: yes.

I'm biased, because I am a *huge* Rose fan, but I cannot get over the criticism for her taking agency in her own life because it was for a person she loved. It's just cool. People doing epic and awesome things for something or someone super important to them? Awesome.

Some people want medical careers and some people want babies and some people want, I don't know, to live on a mountain and eat fish all day. None of these things necessarily have anything to do with strength of character; they're life decisions that strength of character helps people find a way to achieve to their satisfaction.

I wish more people would get this. It's not just in stories, either, it comes up again and again in real life. I tell people I want a couple years of awesome single shenanigans and then I want a family and they look at me like I've just grown two heads. Just because I want to be a mom rather than have a high-paying career doesn't mean I want to be a fifties housewife, for pete's sake.

Yep. My sister got the same flack. She worked full time and now is taking off to have kids and be a stay at home parent for a while. I mean, that's what she and her husband *want*.

Living a life that makes you happy is the *point* of living. How this escapes people is bewildering.


Dira has a shirt that says "Puppy Killer" in rhinestones. *g*

I love how everyone knows what story I'm referring to. *G*

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I liked Donna on and off, but most often when she let her own good sense get ahead of her feelings of inadequacy or whatever. It was like this view of Donna-that-could-be, and the thing is, while I hated the ending, I also would have been uncomfortable if the only way she could *like* herself is if she had a Timelord mind. She's capable of being awesome without that and she proved it.

So it was very--confusing with her.

I get irritable about Rose especially, but it comes up in every fandom. I get not wanting to have fainting needs-rescuing damsels, but basically condemning being in love and wanting to be with that person as a weakness in character bothers me.

re: Everything you said about Rose

EXACTLY.
This is exactly why I was sort of hoping for Rose to maybe clarify when Martha was all, "Whoa, he finally found you" that, actually, she finally found him, since it's true and also AWESOME, but, you know.
That's fine. I could have lived with it.
But now there are all of these haters refusing to swallow their hatecake and bashing on her entire character for reasons I can't even properly think about without exploding in indignation, and just, yeah.

This kind of got away with me. Sorry.

Exactly! She found him. She did not wait around, did not languish, did not cry herself to sleep forever with ice cream, she set her heels down, considered she'd never really understood physics anyway, so why should she let it bother her now, and got the job done. That rocks.

But now there are all of these haters refusing to swallow their hatecake and bashing on her entire character for reasons I can't even properly think about without exploding in indignation, and just, yeah.

God, I *know*. Exactly.

I love her and I love she carries large guns, breaks the rules of time and space, helps save the universe, and is totally in love while she does it. It's fantastic.

Re: Rose

Yes! Yes! a thousand times YES!!! I love what you had to say about Rose and yeah I've seen some negative posts about her being "selfish" but I don't see it that way at all. I loved that she didn't spend forever crying about the man she loved and lost and instead did something about it to find him again and in the process saved the universe. (truly without Rose going between dimensions she'd never have been there to help Donna in Turn Left)


Yes, exactly! Those arguments just make no sense to me. Taking your fate in your own hands and going out there to get what (or who) you want is pretty much the *epitome* of personal strength.

And then, helping save the universe as icing.

I adore Rose and loved Donna to distraction, but yeah, I had a few really little problems with both, mainly because, hey, lookit that, they're HUMAN! Wow! Whatta concept!!

And even more shocking, Dr. Who is just a freaking television show!

Okay, that's overboard, but you know what I mean. I've had stories haunt me, most notably a SW/TPM story years and years back where the author burned my guys at the stake and did it in the most horrible way possible, and just typing that little brings back to many memories.

It's why I never write or read angst. Too difficult.

Hey, I just remembered, I wrote a cracked-out crossover, SGA/Dr. Who, for the Constrict 'zine (you really should come to Constrict, you know). Would silliness help in the sleep-deprived-grumpiness-grouch arena?

I've had stories haunt me, most notably a SW/TPM story years and years back where the author burned my guys at the stake and did it in the most horrible way possible, and just typing that little brings back to many memories.

...oh my GOD. Just reading that is trauma by proxy.

Hey, I just remembered, I wrote a cracked-out crossover, SGA/Dr. Who, for the Constrict 'zine (you really should come to Constrict, you know). Would silliness help in the sleep-deprived-grumpiness-grouch arena?

Yes. *raises chin hopefully* Yes, it would. With the promise of feedback.

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OMG WTF DO PEOPLE HAVE AGAINST PUPPIES!

Ray put the puppy in his pocket and I just knew it would be okay.

And you know what? IT WAS NOT OKAY.

I want Handy back. He was the best puppy.

re Rose: YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK. Graaaar!

I have never wanted a husband. I have never wanted children. But I don't get how anyone could see Rose's actions as weak. Coming down on someone who is doing everything in her power to get back to someone she loves and who *loves her* (it's not like they had some kind of "it's not you, it's me" break-up; it was more like "it's not you, it's the OVERPOWERING, SOUL-SUCKING VOID")... what is the problem with that? How is that somehow a bad thing, to try to get back to a lover you've been separated from? Why does that make you pathetic? This whole "Oh, Rose needs to move on; oh, she's co-dependent; oh, how lame that all she can think about is the Doctor"--dudes, she's been working at Torchwood and saving the universe. It's not like *all* she's done is come up with a way to get back to him.

GAAAAAH.

*clings to you*

Yes. This. It blows my mind. I mean, if she'd done it for a cabin in teh woods, that would be okay? Really? Just not for, you know, a man who she loves and who loves her and was canonically really unhappy he lost her in a very season-long way.

I swear, every time I read about that, I just don't get it.

Oh, oh. You are the person I love most in the world right at this second. Thank you! Because seriously, Rose is awesome, and what she did is awesome, and it baffles me that people condemn her for loving him and being brave enough to do something about it.

And it's not even like I think canon is telling us she wants nothing more than three fat babies and a man (though what would be wrong with that?); I think she loved the life she had with him as much as she loved him. She was fighting for that, too, for the impossible adventure, and OMG, people, do not make me beat you to death.

Yes! Precisely. This.

I'm still deeply stuck in Torchwood + Timebabies + Ten + Rose == hilarity. It's just the most charming thought ever.

Some people want medical careers and some people want babies and some people want, I don't know, to live on a mountain and eat fish all day.

This really reminded me of something that happened in school. I think I was 15/16 and my english teacher had this tendency of using whatever text we were studying to talk about life, the universe and everything. They were always pretty cool classes. Anyway one day she was asking what we all wanted to do 'when we grew up' and one girl said she wanted to get married and be a housewife. This was in the nineties in an all girls school and she was an intelligent girl and a high achiever as far as school went. The reaction was strong from the class as you can imagine but she stood her ground and said 'No, that's what I want' and it stuck with me. I admired her for that. For knowing what she wanted an not letting other peoples opinions sway her.

Being kick-ass is not only about being able to fight the bad guys but is about have a strength of conviction to your own beliefs, whether that be about your family, your partner, your cyber girlfriend or your dimensional cannon.

Oh *heck* yes. Exactly!