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Oh Marvel.

Oh come on. At this point, we really can't do anything but laugh.

I--seriously. Do they and fanlib have the same brilliant publicity strategy?


From deadlychameleon, a link to Comic Book Resources about comics and libraries.

Librarians are about the last group in the world interested in anything resembling censorship, but they also are beholden to their own communities, and they fret a lot about what crosses what line. Of major concern to many librarians are excesses we could easily get by, if we abandoned the notion that the medium and the art of comics are somehow improved by being a boys' club of unfettered pandering to our own basest instincts. Mainly characterized by triple-E cups and degrading male-dominated sexual content. Strange as it may sound, apparently girls, a large portion of the library comics audience, don't like things like that. Which might be grounds for schism right there, since, apparently, many artists seem to be attracted to comics not to tell stories but to indulge those particular fantasies. No librarian I spoke with wanted to tell anyone not to create that kind of material, but its sheer prevalence, often in apparently comics where it doesn't seem appropriate, bothers a lot of them.

And from adannu

Marvel Comics Have Lost Its Damn Mind by asim with an interesting, thoughtful look at the cover and Marvel's history with superhero women.

I'm thinking more and more on Child.

The thing is, I'm not against him seeing nudity, violence, etc. I temper it to his age, the level of sex in it, and the cheesiness of the violence; seriously, anything made for Sci-Fi channel almost automatically is fine, except Battlestar Galactica, since second season themes, while awesome, aren't going to be something he understands. Well, and some others, but you get the idea. And frankly, I can't see how seeing nudity could possibly destroy his soul. Porn, no. Highly sexual nudity, no. But outside that, eh. Seeing a breast never killed anyone. I think. *shrugs*

So what's getting to me is the fact that the statue might not be marketed to his age group, but a lot of comics *are*, and many *do* have more explicit stuff than I'm perfectly comfortable with. Nudity and revealing clothing aren't a problem; non-explicit violence isn't even a problem. It comes down to sexualizing *everything*, where there's no room for anything else.

Sidenote: I'm fairly amused that at this point, I can leave out Gravitation and no one would even notice it, but this one? I would get the freaked out stares. And it's not the only one. Best Friend and her brothers are huge comics collectors and action figure collectors, so I've seen a lot of covers over the years.

It's--hmm. I'm thinking on how to put this.

I hate the protect the children rhetoric of politicians and some other parents. I've always been pretty much under the impression I can do that very well by myself, thanks. I control his incoming media and the television. Which is my point. I really don't *want* him to read these. I am behind the right to sell the comics in any way seen fit by the people who make them, but it *is* annoying that something that is at least somewhat supposed to be read by kids is--uncomfortable for me to look at. And frankly, as the one who buys his entertainment, final decision isn't going to be with Fanboy In Training here--it's going to be me.

It's been something I've been considering since the entire MJ thing--not that Child would get or even understand what I have a problem with. Or that he'd ever see that thing, ever. It's not about Marvel's right to do whatever the hell they want with whatever they want. Do every comic female doing housework for her man. I can not buy and choose not to buy what pisses me off. And I'll include what Child buys and doesn't buy in that judgement.

Child is a future fanboy. He's Dr. Who and obsessively buying action heros and books, loves superhero movies and cartoons, and he's a potential market who will, will, will be spending money at some point that is not mine. And he'll buy things in his fannish pursuits just like I do. This? Just won't be one of the things he was raised to enjoy and want to buy.

I don't particularly like it, but I can find him comics that don't annoy me quite so much. He can stick with the cartoons for his superhero fix.

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I really really need to leap on the hentai boat already. I mean, everyone else is doing it!

I remember being sat down in front of Rocky Horror when I was young- ah, good times. I now jokingly tell my aunt she's responsible for my warped personality.
That cover is really ugly. Though I did once read Weiss Kreuz tentacle porn that was okay...

Have you seen the latest issue of the Heroes online comic? I don't even know if you watch Heroes, but even it's not immune. The issue is called The Death of Hana Gitelman, in it for no reason what so ever Hana is getting dressed and leaning over with her breasts practically spilling out of her bra. This is a comic connected to a popular TV SHOW! You would think these idiots would know better. It's on nbc.com for goodness sakes. You can find it on the Heroes page by looking under the Novels Library.

Please, do check it out. Show people that Heroes and apparently NBC isn't above going for the lowest common denominator either.

Forgot to add it's in Part 2.

Jaysus. Has Alberto Vargas returned from the dead and started designing comic book covers and AFs for Marvel?

I agree that it's up to the parents to police a child's viewing/reading, but, my god, when you can't tell a comic book from a freaking Playboy, it's gotten ridiculous. Since when did it become a good idea to sell comics in brown paper wrappers?

And that's not even going into the whole fact that, once again, women are being objectified to the point of being non-people. And I'm sorry, but there's enough violence against women because some men don't see them as humans with the right to not be beaten, raped, or murdered without training young boys to see us only as objects. What's next, a comic showing how much fun it is to stone women to death? /ends rant

I saw that recently. Ah, Marvel. Why do you have to play it like that?

It comes down to sexualizing *everything*...

This is a tangent, I know, but I keep seeing this Lowe's commercial where the mother says to her boy child, "I want new floors but can't figure out how to tell your Dad." And boy child immediately yells, "Dad, Mom wants new floors!". The tag to this ad is the boy yelling, "Mom, Dad wants a new motorcycle!"

Everytime I hear this ad I cringe at it's sexism. Mom wants something for the house, not herself. Dad wants a new toy. And yet both, apparently, share an equal fear/dread of telling the other when what they respectively want are in no way equal. This just brings home how god damned sexist the ad industry still is - either that or completely clueless - because if the boy had yelled, "Mom, Dad wants new windows!" Or anything else that benefits the house and not him, I wouldn't be typing this.

Have you picked up P.S. 238? Awesome superheroes, all of whom are in grade school. And they are drawn, dressed, and talk like grade schoolers. There are three (I think) collections out there.

I second this rec. I was thinking of the series the first few times I saw Sky High. It's especially fun for those with enough comics background to recognize the characters these kids' parents are often based on.

Sky High, even though I loved it, was a blatant rip-off of PS 238--but as the creator said, "It's me against the Mouse. Who's gonna win?"

Hrm. It is possible that I am forgetting things, but I don't *think* the library quote is from me...

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