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this is fannish whining
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Okay, I get being disappointed by an ep. Seriously. But I swear, ClarkLex list is going to drive me to either drink, no-mail, or unsub, and ooh. *bites nails* There's this insane urge to post a reply to this one post that just--urgh.

And I don't really *like* to drink.

*taps fingers on the desk to kill the urge*

You know, I've made my peace with the entire death of Clex declarations, since I can spot those by the first line of the post and know to avoid. And I am even sort of calm with the concept of not liking Lois, though let me point out, I was perfectly willing to hate her and now I seriously want to write Clark/Lois. I won't, I'm way, way too OTP to do that without someone ending up depressed at the end of the story or dead, but I *like* her, and I didn't want to, and dammit, that's not fair. And I like her better than Chloe and Lana, and I like her better than *Clark* for God's sake. If Clark was killed off and they turned this into the Lois and Lex's Adventures in Smallville, I would hang up my slash goggles. I so would. She's exactly what they should have been trying to do with Chloe, dammit.

So you know, I'm all about everyone's opinions and bitterness, as I have spent quality time loathing one or more characters at a stretch and doing it over multiple posts--but I also reserve the right to say, *back the fuck off* with the really nonsubtle jabs at those who like her and the line in the sand feeling going on. Liking her is not a betrayal of The Freaking Holiness of The Clark and Lex.

My zen place is miella's Holy Cookies of Positive Thinking.


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*fandom-avoidant* Seriously, it's the only way to go for me, these days... no mailing lists, no comms, just people I trust to say their piece with mostly-level heads. Well. More level than mine, lately :D

*grins* I am perfectly capable of completely twisting whatever I see into whatever I want to see. Or finding peopel that will twist it for me. It makes all shows easier to watch.

I'm beginning to agree about the MLs, though, at least this one. It's possibly the most negative place in the current universe. My *God*.

*claps* Well. That is very nice to hear (also nice to hear that someone appears to like Lois as much as I do...)

She's--so *fun*. I didn't want to like her, and it might change, but man, right now, I *love* her. I love her energy and her charisma and the way she and Clark just sparkle together. This is the first time I've been convinced he *might* like girls. *grins*

Might.

I hate to say it, but I so agree with you

Why do I hate to say it? Because two of the people doing the most whining are people I actually like, other than this portion of their writing, that is. *g*

I've been skipping almost all of my ClarkLex Digest for quite a while due to this. I skimmed today and almost barfed. I will not comment on the Yahell lists anymore. I just don't trust myself and I'm the most un-kerfuffly person I know.

Watch, it's gonna be like the Highlander Duncan/Methos lists, just wait. Yep, there are already various Clex and happy Clex lists, but there'll be more. Mark my words.

*sigh*

I prefer the half full glass too, never the half empty one and I'm patient.

BTW, y'know it's no good pointing out that ALMiles have been quoted as saying that they've planned for Lois' intro since S1, right?

*sighes again*

I'm just ignoring them (list) and watching the fic searches only from now on, I swear.

My positive thought? Mike *and* Tom both have been quoted more than once at this point as saying S4 will concentrate much more on the Clark Lex relationship.

*wanders off to make late supper and seriously considers cookies with you*

*or alcohol*

**hugs**

Re: I hate to say it, but I so agree with you

I've been skipping almost all of my ClarkLex Digest for quite a while due to this. I skimmed today and almost barfed. I will not comment on the Yahell lists anymore. I just don't trust myself and I'm the most un-kerfuffly person I know.

*g* I realize my own weakness. I think the last time I commented in a temper on list was two years ago at someone attacking a segment of style in SV fanfic writing. I sort of guessed that it wouldn't go better this time either.

I am with my cookies.

My positive thought? Mike *and* Tom both have been quoted more than once at this point as saying S4 will concentrate much more on the Clark Lex relationship.

*wanders off to make late supper and seriously considers cookies with you*

*or alcohol*

**hugs**


*hugs hard* Aww, thanks. And yes, Clark and Lex need screentime together, dammit. I agree there. No where else in that list, but that. Yes.

I heartily recommend the no-mail lifestyle! *g*

I keep wanting to--but it's my first slash list. I'm still subbed to my Trek lists and my X-Men lists, I'm that sentimental.

*narrows eyes*

Just. GRRR. Did I miss the memo that there never shall be an episode liked ever? Cause seriously, *man*. Unhappy campers.

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*grins* I joined right before Hothead, I think, after finding a link from smallvilleslash. It just--I feel like one of those bitter old fic queens at this point, just wanting to yell, my *God* people, get a freaking *grip* already.

Because they were apparently too dim to grasp that a story about *Clark Kent* and *Lex Luthor* isn't going to stay on the love train til the end of the series, that the happiness existed *precisely because it was intended to set up the tragedy*. It's the sense of entitlement to perfect Clark/Lex happiness from latecomers who don't even understand what the *point* of the homoeroticism of S1 was that sets my phaser to obliterate.

Want to really hear me go on about the good old days? I started re-reading old messages from season one and early season two, where there was *discussion* of eps. The good kind. Not the ones where I wonder if any one of these people have ever actually seen the show.

I may want to borrow your phaser at some point.

my OTP is CLex!!

If Clark was killed off and they turned this into the Lois and Lex's Adventures in Smallville

that's SO interesting!!
umm... i would so watch it.. heee

XD

*snickers* I *know*. *facepalms* But I like her so much! Please God, don't let them Mary Sue her or make her like, instantly hate Lex or something, because she just hits me right. I wish she'd been on teh show from the beginning, or they'd made Chloe or Lana that interesting and fun, because man, she's so great.

I reserve the right to dislike her later. *grins* But now? Full of the Lois love.

I've been deleting ClarkLex emails all day! I think I read one and said forget it, I'm not reading this stuff anymore. The Clex isn't dead, I'm confidant of that. I will always be able to read something into all of their scenes together, even if Clark is standing about like a robot spouting off assy things to his boyfriend:)

I firmly believe the writers will rebuild the Clex in order to fully break our hearts with the final rift. The end of last season was way too weak to be it. And even if they don't, how can I resist watching Michael Rosenbaum week to week. Simply not possible:)

The Clex isn't dead, I'm confidant of that. I will always be able to read something into all of their scenes together, even if Clark is standing about like a robot spouting off assy things to his boyfriend:)

theirloveissotranscendentofbadwritingandauthorialintent dammit. That's my motto.

I firmly believe the writers will rebuild the Clex in order to fully break our hearts with the final rift. The end of last season was way too weak to be it. And even if they don't, how can I resist watching Michael Rosenbaum week to week. Simply not possible:)

Oh hell yeah. Sex on a stick.

Yes yes YES! I fucking LOVE Lois!

*nods* Oooh yeah. *happy*

I love Lois, but didn't realize till you said something that omg, maybe I'm betraying Chloe...Then pfft, I remembered the crap writing betrayed her long before I did so everything's chill.

But from Lois' first snark about the lack of belief in use of addresses in Smallville, I realized that whoa, I've actually been writing Lois in Chloe's clothing all these years. It's a sad, sad thought. :)

I love Lois, but didn't realize till you said something that omg, maybe I'm betraying Chloe...Then pfft, I remembered the crap writing betrayed her long before I did so everything's chill.

She's *exactly* what they kept trying to do with Chloe and kept screwing up, which sort of peeves me.

I'm in the novel position of watching Clark and Lois thinking, kiss her, you idiot!

But from Lois' first snark about the lack of belief in use of addresses in Smallville, I realized that whoa, I've actually been writing Lois in Chloe's clothing all these years. It's a sad, sad thought. :)

*huggles* I love the way you write Chloe.

I'm more of a meh on Lois, but I unsubscribed from ClarkLex about a month ago for basically this reason. Lois is not the problem for me; I wish there'd be more Clark/Lex interaction too; but I got on this train knowing the destination, and all I can do is cradle my suffering to myself and hope that the final crash is done well.

I'm loving Lois. Totally with you on that. She even makes me like Lana this year. And Chloe looks radiant in every shot. I'm finding lots to love about this season -- the strong women, Lex's fragile health/strength of character, Lionel in prison, and Clark NOT heroic. I see potential for all kinds of unlikely plot twists. It's a better show for character growth/new characters. And I think Clark and Lex deserve this break from each other. I prefer not having to watch their relationship self-destruct.

Yeah, I hated yet one more lesbian bashing scene, and I don't know why MR phoned in his performance, but I've been here too long to give up on either the show or the CLex.

Good post, Jen.

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