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children of dune - leto 1
seperis
Okay, if you watch Big Bang Theory--is it wrong to still hate Leonard? I have a bad feeling that Leonard's biggest problem is that I want to set him on fire (metaphorically). I can't even figure out why, except it's like, he almsot embodies Nice Guy, in a geek variation, and--well, fire.

Kindle is not delivered yet, so I am kind of hyperexamining my life and my media choices.

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He has no geek pride - he still thinks not being a geek is cooler than being a geek. Also, apparently he is supposed to be the non-geeky-looking and therefore hottest guy (I am informed by my non-geeky friends). Neither of those things make sense to me.

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Saddest thing for me is I used to like him but this season has made me hate him.

Well I've only seen one episode so I had to go look up IMDB to check which one Leonard was, but he turned out to be the character I liked least in it. He sighed at the others a lot, it annoyed me.

The Nice Guy thing is definitely a problem. He feels entitled to other people being attracted to him. In the last episode, he straight-up admitted to Penny that he was only ever nice to her as a getting-into-her-pants strategy.

All his getting-into-people's-pants strategies are off. He's apparently cast himself as the normal one/straight man in the hopes of appealing to non-geeks. But no matter what your specific interests are, would you rather date a guy who no-holds-barred genuinely enjoys whatever it is he enjoys, or who makes a big production of it being stupid and childish while still secretly longing to do it? With all his sighing and eye-rolling, he just comes off as a boring, unfun stick-in-the-mud. AT BEST. At worst, he is actively mean to his friends. Why do they like him?

Since season one I've been waiting and waiting for the rest to give on on Leonard and embrace Penny in his place. She lacks Leonard's extensive background knowledge on, say, Warhammer, but she's a better sport.

Oh my God so much this. I love Penny. And she kicks everyone's ass gaming.

But no matter what your specific interests are, would you rather date a guy who no-holds-barred genuinely enjoys whatever it is he enjoys, or who makes a big production of it being stupid and childish while still secretly longing to do it?

The stick in the mud analogy is so true.

In the last episode, he straight-up admitted to Penny that he was only ever nice to her as a getting-into-her-pants strategy.

That last ep is where I was trying to give him hives with my mind. Smug, self-satisfied, icky and soo goddamn annoying I wanted to slap him.

Argh, Leonard's Nice Guy-ness and Howard's blatant skeeve factor made that show unwatchable for me. And it didn't feel like it was a show by geeks for geeks so much as yet another show to mock geek culture in the same tired ways. IDK, I liked Sheldon and Penny but haven't watched since S1.

Kindle is not delivered yet, so I am kind of hyperexamining my life and my media choices.

Maybe I am totally misinterpreting your dilemma here, but it's not too late to name it Meredith (Merry for short!)

:D

SO MUCH FIRE. I want to kill him all of the time. Usually I prefer fantasizing about cliffs I could push him off, but I can see flames, sure.

YOU ARE COMPLETELY CORRECT. I love Big Bang Theory and detest Leonard (yes, he completely a Nice Guy TM). I enjoy any pain the show gives him to a probably unhealthy extent.


(Sheldon <3)

My main problem with Leonard is that he has such shame of his geekiness and kinda derides it in order to appear "normal". Well, that and he's a dick to Penny. Which, just isn't cool on a show that is supposedly about geekiness being fun.

I don't know, my biggest problem with BBT is Amy. Or, rather, is how they treat/write Amy. And Sheldon to some extent, but mostly Amy.

I sometimes (often when it comes to Amy) get the feeling that she (and Sheldon) aren't supposed to be the "relatable" characters on the show. That they exist in order for the audience and the other characters to laugh at. My biggest problem is when it's things like Amy expressing excitement that she has friends and that she is trying to enact the "girl" things that she didn't get to do when she was young. I don't know. Maybe the show writers think that no women who watch their show won't relate to her? Maybe they think that all women had friends and experienced the things that Amy so badly wants to do now that she has friends?

I'm sure I'm just missing the point, but I don't think it's such a funny thing that Amy wants someone hug or cuddle her when she's sad.

TL;DR: I liked the first seasons better, when it was mostly just them running around being geeky (the time machine ep is one of my favorites), and there wasn't so much of this obsession with romance. Good for Sheldon for refusing to be dragged into it.

And yes, Penny is kick ass.

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I still hate him. Less than before but maybe I'm used to it now. So glad he's not with Penny as last week's episode proved.


It is totally fine to want Leonard to DIAF and let the rest of them get their geek on with out having a so-called "nice guy" and "the normal one" bugging them about doing things they love.

I still enjoy watching the show, but sometimes it's more difficult than others, such as when Leonard is being the Nice Guy or when Amy is set up to be laughed at: sometimes the writers let her be an actual Sheldon, comfortable in her apartness, and then they turn it around and make her uncomfortable, unhappy and wanting to be on the inside with the cool kids. I hate when they do that because I feel invited to laugh at her, and it feels like I'm being asked to laugh at myself.

Plus this year the scripts have been hit and miss. I hated Sheldon's sudden bird phobia, for instance, and the way his mother is suddenly uber-hick.

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The episode where he was explicitly trying to find a way to cheat on his girlfriend and still be a "nice guy" - and going to Penny as his ex-girlfriend to ask for advice on how to do that - had me pretty much slack-jawed in horror. I just. It's bad enough when a character is subtextually pulling that shit, but he came right out and said it!

TBH, I don't so much want to set him on fire myself as to watch Penny do so. And then maybe that girl he wanted to cheat with can join the main cast, and Penny can get a last name and be allowed to make career progress, and she and Sheldon and Amy can have a nice lesbian/asexual poly relationship full of bickering and hijinks. Is that so much to ask for?

she and Sheldon and Amy can have a nice lesbian/asexual poly relationship full of bickering and hijinks. Is that so much to ask for?

I WOULD PAY FOR THIS SHOW.

Actually, watching penny do it would be so much more awesome. And then Sheldon would get his stuff. No real bad here.

I think among them all Leonard is my least favorite. I even like Howard better and he can be a sexually harassing jerk much of the time.

Haven't watched it for a season or so, but ...oh wow. They made him blatant Nice Guy? DIEDIEDIE. Previously he had Nice Guy tendencies. Now must stab.

To nobody's surprise, I imagine, I think Leonard is a pathetic, whiny little object with mommy issues, who swings between a 'please validate me' self-abasement and a smug dick-driven douchery that makes me want to kick him. (Props to Johnny Galecki, incidentally, but the actual character is an asshat of the first magnitude.)

The writers were obviously trying for everyman underdog hero, but their conception of what actually makes a decent human being seems to be flawed. Because ethics is a place in England, when the prospect of sex arises.

Someone somewhere made the point that he doesn't have to express his Nice Guy entitlement, because the show does it for him, and I think that sums it up. The main drive of the show runs on a thoroughly unpleasant blend of misogyny and bullying - it is considered perfectly acceptable for Leonard to loathe his geekery and seek to escape it by banging a 'hot girl', (any one will do) and for him to trample anyone else in his rush to do so. He is to be rewarded for this conformity, and it is righteous that the geeks are mocked and derided. *ptttht*

(I failed to make it to the finale of S3, due to rage.)

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