The Toybox

people for the conservation of limited amounts of indignation


Previous Entry Share Next Entry
I see I need to screen my reading in x-men
children of dune - leto 1
seperis
Right. I--knew this? Kind of.

ETA: Whoo, totally missed this, I apologize. This may be triggering for disability issues. No one's complained yet, but they'd certainly have the right to.



Disability as Very Valuable Life Lesson or Punishment For Not Being Nicer to Erik and Raven is seriously making me edgy. Before you ask, kink-meme, though some of the comments I've read in my journals are edging into that territory. Exploration of disability, yeah, but--seriously, if you are arguing Charles got shot in the back by his BFF deflecting bullets that were supposed to stop the BFF from committing mass murder was like 'a valuable Othering lesson'--yeah, let's not? Disability as Punishment and Disability as Important Comeuppance and Disability as Universal Balance for Character Flaw--

Okay, honestly, I am not clinically depressed because in early childhood I was like, too happy in the face of universal suffering or something.

God, I have an awful feeling we are going to get a seventy K story about How Charles Realizes He Totally Deserved Being Shot Because He Was Not Understanding Enough. With like, groveling. God I hate groveling.

Posted at Dreamwidth: http://seperis.dreamwidth.org/86489.html. | You can reply here or there. | comment count unavailable comments

  • 1
*glum* I admit I laid odds it would happen earlier, but it's not like that is saying much.

I am still surprised by peoples' capability for clueless, casual bastardy.

Well, you see, at least with depression you already feel like you deserve it and it's all your fault, it's like you're ahead of the curve in disability related guilt tripping!

*bites lip* It's funny because it's true. I hit the first implication of that one and was like "Oh, my life, thanks. Totally needed that confirmation."

*high-fives*

*twitch* I wish I didn't believe you. What the actual fuck.

Some are trying to be subtle? By some value of subtle, admittedly.

Oh no, they aren't are they?

I was really hoping we could avoid all that.

Now I'm going to have to be really careful when going on the kink meme.

It wasn't many or anything, but some were--yeah. I kind of back-clicked and ran bravely away.

Sometimes running away is the only option.

I'm kind of glad I don't even know where the current Marvel kink meme is located.

There are a couple, and it's not a huge number of stories, just--hit one, back-clicked, went to look for something less enraging.

Yeah, it can be a lot safer to search those sites by tag. Less surprising, which is both bad and good.

Thank you so much for your posts about this movie. It's very interesting to read.
It's upsetting to see how many people for some reasons blame Charles for his so called privilegies.

It's been weird on the punishment front. It's like, I'm not really comfortable stating disability or mass murder is his 'fault' and apply punishment, you know?

This is why we can't have nice things, isn't it?

I am slightly less laissez-faire about wandering through the kink-meme whenever the prompt states 'disability', I'll be honest.

I know, right? These are the same sort of people who tell me that I got hit by a fucking freight train when I was 15 and had to relearn how to walk......for a reason. To teach me patience, or some such nonsense. I notice none of THESE people have had to relearn how to walk. Fuckers.

..I know you aren't kidding and I want to smash things. Just. What--how does that seem like a good idea? To even *think*?

*hugs* I'm so sorry. Christ.

It's a safety mechanism, I think. Along the same lines of "well, she got raped because she dressed wrong/drank too much/walked on the wrong route/was alone and I would never do that, so I'm safe because it was her own fault!" People get scared when horrible things happen for no reason, because it means that a terrible thing could happen to THEM, at any time, for no reason at all. So they invent reasons why things happened to other people. In my case, I've heard that it was to teach me patience, to test my will to live, to teach me about mortality, to give me insight into disability (er?), to test my faith in God, and a whole pile of other shit. I don't mind if people come up with this crap to explain why terrible things happen in the privacy of their own heads - it's only when it comes out of their mouths that I object to it.
Our culture is really bad at dealing with random tragedies. That's why bullshit like The Secret is so popular - because that way, when something bad happens to someone, we can blame them for not having the right mindset and attracting tragedy.

Yeah, because you know, there is a difference between finding good things to learn from an unpleasant experience, and the experience being INTENTIONALLY given to you for you to learn those things from it. It's fine for the person who went through something to come out of it and say, well, at least I learned something valuable about BLAH. It is not fine for someone else to tell them that their suffering is some kind of gift from God. Because frankly, I don't like their God. If their God is the real one, I am SOOOOOOO going to be in a picket line outside the pearly gates.

*hands* I am clinging to there aren't many of them. Most people are focusing on explaining how Charles was responsible for near mass murder, not, you know, paralysis is totes punishment.

...that isn't great to know, either.

Oh my god that is so fucking gross. People are terrible.

it was not a great moment, no.

Will you tell me what story this is so I can avoid it?

I think the one I saw most recently was in the second round, since that was where I was looking for updates yesterday, but I can't swear to it. Most, honestly, are the slight fetishization thing, which is--questionable, yeah, but mostly badly worded and not actually malicious.

D:<

I was so afraid of this happening (actually I'm sort of afraid to commit to First Class as a fandom period because people tend to be embracing Erik's vision as the one true vision and it's a bit like wtf no) I mean I'm not totally surprised it has but I was really hoping we could avoid it because apparently I have faith that people won't be utter idiots.

However if there is groveling I may need to trufax punch something.

people tend to be embracing Erik's vision as the one true vision

Yeah, I mean, for a dystopian AU, I'm fine with that, but the key word here is "dystopian", not "Really great and true idea!" because--seriously, I just wrote a 'because' like I need to defend anti-genocide feelings.

Short version--have seen this, very twitchy.

I was really hoping we could avoid it because apparently I have faith that people won't be utter idiots.

Yeah. This. So much.

I just wrote a 'because' like I need to defend anti-genocide feelings.

I was complaining to my girlfriend (loudly) about this sort of stuff yesterday. Yes it's totally fine to be sympathetic towards a villian, usually the good ones are great complex characters but they are still a villian. Erik wants to kill off humanity and you're surprised Charles didn't go along with this? (This also kind plays into the idea that no fandom, it's not badass to murder someone no matter how cool it looks up on screen, which unfortunately was a prompt for Charles). It's been setting my teeth on edge ever since I started poking about fandom.

/feelings about villian worship.

It's curious. I find I have the opposite view. I think Erik is right, but Charles is right as well.

I think Charles has the broader vision. He understands that what the mutants do will define what they will become as the next phase of evolution. To be a worthwhile people they need to not just react to the fear aimed at them, but to have values and make conscious decision about who they will be.

I can see why he started to teach and guide these mutants. It isn't just to protect them.

And I can see why (one reason why) he'll never give up on Erik. Because so many mutants have been -- and will be -- abused. But none worse than Erik. If he can reach Erik, he can reach anyone.


Er. I'm referring to people tend to be embracing Erik's vision as the one true vision. (Meant to edit that in before I posted.)

Oh I think Erik has valid points (like not sitting down and being experimented on and the not being bullied by the government etc) but I can't get on board with the idea that because you're a mutant you're better than another person or that genocide is the answer here. And it's the people who are embracing that part of that vision that are bugging me.

I love how you describe Charles' vision because that's how I see it. He's totally a hippy who wants peace and love for all and he's doing his best to bring that about by equipping his kids with the tools they need to be the better person. Which makes me geek out at him in a totally embarrassing sort of way (then again I'm realizing I'm turning into a total Charles fangirl which is... unexpected).

Yeah, there is no way he's ever going to give up on Erik, I'm not sure if he'd ever be capable of doing so, no matter how tired or angry or frustrated he got with him. Because, well, he's seen the good in him, he's seen what he's capable of being and wants him to be that or even just heal a little.

Oh the tragedy of these two.

Erik is right about how the world will respond, the worst people have to offer. But not about how to deal with.

I'm not certain they make for a tragedy. They shape each other. Their debates. Their chess games. I think Charles is better for having Erik to refine and examine himself. Erik too.


What the actual fuck! I feel like this is echoing that Stargate Universe paraplegic bodyswap/rape fail we've seen before.

And here I am working on an Erik-takes-the-bullet AU and worrying that I'm going to marginalize/fetishize/over-egg/handwave/otherwise fuck up the whole disability issue. I'm all for kink equality, but really, people, this kind of assholeishness is FAIL.

Man, that's fucked up. I didn't realize anyone would even twist things around that way. Ugh. The fact that I'm not even in the fandom and the movie's only been out two weeks and all I've heard is massive fuckery like this is rather alarming...

Ugh ugh ugh, this is the most enraging thing I've come across in this fandom.

I want to love it, I do love it, and then no one writes anything to do with Darwin, and this stuff pops up. just makes me want to cry.

Yeah, I basically have no words for that.

I basically gave up on fandom because of the whole "I must punish X for daring to do anything short of worship my special snowflake woobster" phenomenon. I graduated from high school 16 years ago. I'm pretty happy to leave that shit in the last millennium where it belongs.

But acting like disability is a humbling life lesson that someone earns for, you know, not going along with genocide is a new low, even for fandom.

For a while I was thinking I really missed fandom and wished there was some new fannish show that would give me back the enjoyment mid-seasons SGA used to. But now, not so much.

  • 1
?

Log in